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ah the old rightie standard. amazing, you couldn't get through two posts without insulting Kos and Atrios. then I saw your blog list. and couldn't stop laughing.

It would never occur to you, I suppose, that perhaps behavior, rather than politics, might be the determining factor in not taking KOS and Atrios to advertisers. Being foul mouthed, crude and scatological is not always a positive in marketing products. I'm sure their are some rude and crude VRWC sites out there, but I couldn't think of any other than my own. Sorry if I offended your delicate sensibilities.

A Kos and Atrios supporter who thinks there's something wrong with insulting other people? There's a word for this, but I can't think of it at the moment ...

Kos isn't a lefty,he is a millionaire businessman who has found a market for the sad ,deranged,infantile and inadequate.It's a bit like putting up a chalk board in a urinals and leaving a tip jar.

"There's a word for this, but I can't think of it at the moment ..."

I know! Hypocrite!

Uh, no, sorry, not in-your-face enough...

I'm still convinced that Dean, Kos, Atrios and several others of their ilk are operatives of Master Rove.

One of the big things that bothered me about this project from the first time I heard about it was money.

This kind of project (and almost any other) always loses a lot of money for the first year or two of operation, even if in the long run it turns out to be profitable. You cannot start something like this without some sort of major investment behind it.

Last time I saw any solid info about the advertising plan (admittedly months ago, so it may no longer be correct) it seemed that PJ Media was promising its affiliate bloggers a lot of money to run ads, whether PJ Media itself actually had any ads to run. That's money flowing out, without necessarily any offsetting income. Where's it come from?

There has been no sign whatever that they've got a VC backing them. The impression I came away with was that they expected it to be self-financing from the very beginning. As Dennis says, the impression was that they were going to have to turn eager advertisers away, and would have no trouble at all filling all those paid ad slots with paying ads.

If that's truly what they expect, then this is going to be a trainwreck of mammoth proportions, and the ultimate result is going to be lawsuits.

My understanding is that Pajamas Media did spend most of the first quarter of the year attempting to line up venture capital. But since it was Roger who told me that, it might not be true.

Dot.com bubble writ small?

Having noodled around with my own little venture a bit, I'm coming to some hypotheses that I want to test:

1. Making money from advertising need not be a simple "eyeballs to advertisers" equation. High value added can occur when the RIGHT advertisers are introduced to the RIGHT eyeballs. (Life was either the first or second largest magazine in the USA when they stopped publishing weekly. No advertiser wanted to pay top dollar for all those undifferentiated eyeballs.)

2. The internet is so bloody cheap that you don't have to generate much revenue to turn a profit. With such economies, bootstrapping is more rational than venture capital for business development.

3. Because people use the Web to create narcissistic virtual realities, the key to sustaining a Web-based enterprise is not by marketing a commodity, but by developing a community that will support you.

Pajamas Media seems to be trying to overlay old media templates on a new media. In other words, they are both popular individually, but in collaboration it seems to me that they don't understand why.

And from my standpoint, thank goodness.

I'm not sure I totally understand what the complaint is here. I believe the idea is to use a stable of bloggers as (correspondents or editorialists) who will put out reports that read "Special to PJ Media," or somesuch--and, based upon a private e-mail I got from Roger--pay these people initially with cash. After the embargo ends, they also will receive traffic from the mother site.

Obviously, you need to work a manageable number of writers who fit stylistically and otherwise. Seventy sounds like a lot to me.

As a former I-banker, I can tell you with names like Michael Barone on board, there is plenty of VC money for this idea.

Part of the allure of PJM was the promise to provide a revenue stream via advertising based at the blog level and contingent on site traffic. That's what I've been talking about, not the journalistic side of the equation, which was developed while I was waiting for Roger and Charles to sign the incorporation papers for Tulip Advertisng... and about which I couldn't give a shit.

It still sounds like Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland putting on The Big Show in Pa's barn.

There are venture capitalists, and there are "venture capitalists."

If a well known venture capital firm such as WR Hambrecht + Co was funding Pajamas Media, then we would know that the business plan had been gone over with a fine toothed comb, and that they were expecting it to throw off a lot of cash really fast. That would be a solid endorsement.

Then again, if the "venture capitalist" was some California plastic surgeon with more cash than sense, BFD.

If they did, in fact, have the backing of a reputable venture capital firm, they should make this fact public. It will only enhance their prospects for success.

As for the numbers you quote ... hmmm let me see ... 70 authors x avg $1,000/month, added to SG&A costs ... infrastructure costs ... plus the VC firm's 20% chunk ... they'll have to be clearing what, $2 million the first year to break even?

What a VC would do is what the dot.coms did,float shares to their friends whilst the price was going up,selling to the public when the last ounce of profit had been extracted,taking the money and running.

Such a person would not have any friends left. Pump-and-dump operations are illegal anyway.

That is what they did.

"Being foul mouthed, crude and scatological is not always a positive in marketing products. I'm sure their are some rude and crude VRWC sites out there, but I couldn't think of any other than my own."

Ah, so therefore we can gather, by extension, that you and your entire readership are also morons? Interesting.

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