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Wow.

At the risk of turning DTP into a Bizarro-world negative-LGF echo chamber, I'll just say:

Rock on, righteous dude!

Don't make me sorry I just blogrolled you Dennis. It hardly seems a fair analogy to equate Greenwald with the self-important pundit, based on one post by Greenwald. You're right on with Reynolds whining about the world not being completely versed in the totality of his heh indeeds, but although I only started reading Greenwald recently, he's got a lot more depth than you're giving him credit for.

Libby-

Thanks for the addition to your blogroll, and I do appreciate it, but let's be clear here... the abuse offered is bi-partisan. I have no intention of playing little political reindeer games... been there, done that and I'm over it.

Let's get on with the issues.

When I see some 'depth' out of Greenwald, I'll acknowledge it. Until then, what I've said stands.

Mmm..you ARE in a bad mood today. Glad I'm not one of them cutting-edge thought-leader blogger guys....

Nice post, I didn't see the all the holes in Greenwald's post until you pointed them out.

Coulter is objectivly pro-terrorist and would peddle more than her bowel movements if it would get her attention, although what she has to sell resembles what the crack whores I see on the street back home have.

I don't read Greenwald's C&L stuff, but I am plugged into his eponymous blog (well, the URL is anyway). I came away with the impression that he specifically was singling out Coulter for making unchecked extreme comments, a la Ward Churchill. Looks like the C&L stuff went further than that, but I half expect it as sites of that sort are much more about playing to the stands. His personal blog is much more level-headed, to me.

To echo Libby's comment somewhat, I have been enjoying your blog even though politically, we seem to have very little in common. It's not about the PJM bashing for me (although I loves me some good snark anytime), but instead seeing beyond the partisan stuff and finding common ground. I am looking forward to more Somali Muslim posts. Oh, and more snark. :-)

It's probably worth noting Johnson's pathetic run-around the latest Abu Ghraib abuse photos. If you think Reynolds's post is evasive, stupid and childish, feast on this.

As I told my readers Dennis, I came here orginally for the PJM gossip but I stayed because you struck me as an independent voice. I blogrolled you on the basis of the Muslim posts. I found these be extraordinarily brave for someone in your position. But
I don't know how you're going to see any depth to Greenwald if you immediately aver you won't read his crap after only one post.
I'm just saying be careful before you fall into the same trap as the MSM of defining bi-partisan as equally bashing both sides on every issue. If every argument had equal weight then no one would ever win a point. I think it's more useful to define it as bashing whichever side deserves it at the moment, because they both do, but usually at different times.
Meanwhile, I don't often agree with your politics but I'm interested in your POV and I'll be back. I hope you'll give some of the people on my side of the fence the same courtesy. It seems to me that if blogs are ever going to lead to a positive change in our society, we're going to have to start at listening to each other with more respect and less derision on our points of difference.
Which is not to say we still shouldn't skewer pomposity and self-importance wherever we find it. And I'm with Ethan on this point. You give great snark.

Reynolds: It's just that the right has done a better job of muzzling and marginalizing its idiots

As part of the VRWC, comments like this make me wince. As much as we'd like our idiots to be marginalized, we are not lately doing a very good job of keeping them muzzled.

Coulter is one example. If she were a lefty, she'd be crucified. The only thing that saves her is she is a radical antiabortion advocate, so the extreme right unites behind her, and the punditocracy lowers its standards to suit her.

The same could be said about Limbaugh, Levin, Malkin, Hannity, and the like. In fact, please notice it is often these very people who are the quickest to defend and justify and excuse Coulter.

Yeah, we got 'em all muzzled, Glenn.

I've shared your general distaste for the blogosphere point-scoring for awhile, it's gotten to the point where a few econ blogs, Reason's H&R, and you are the only things I read anymore. And PJM has become so boring that I keep forgetting to update the deathpool.

Couldn't agree with you more, Dennis. I stopped reading him a long time ago. He's a big YAWN.

I can appreciate your condemnation of Coulters remarks. I believe you represent most conservatives in your attitude. However, she remains a star of the right, and I can think of no conservative leader that wouldn't go out of their way for a photo op. As long as she remains a unopposed spokesmodel of the right, those of us on the left will have a hard time not categorizing the whole of you as wingnuts.

"As long as she remains a unopposed spokesmodel of the right, those of us on the left will have a hard time not categorizing the whole of you as wingnuts."

As long as Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd roam the US Senate chambers, as long as Kos is considered a wise purveyor of political wisdom, as long Al Gore sucks up to terrorist sympathizers, the center and the right will have a hard time not categorizing all of the left as a group of hypocritical assholes.

Dennis,
I think when Greenwald said "domestic political opponents of Republicans" I don't think he was talking about himself. I'm pretty sure he meant the Supreme Court Justices Ann is always talking about wanting to poison.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think you're reading too much into Glenn's writing. I'm actually pretty sure Glenn in a conservative, in the real sense of conservativism. That's why his panties are in a bunch over the whole domestics spying thing.

RE: Lou Minatti

I think people of the left feel fine being represented by Kennedy, Byrd, Kos, and Gore.

You might disagree with them on a public policy level, but I, personally, don't find them to be extreme (in the sense that they don't advocate shooting Supreme Court justices or killing all Christians, etc).

LoC, LM and PofL-

Thanks for pinpointing the problem here. Notice that there is no issue involved... either philosophical or of practical policy. What we have are three people talking loudly to themselves about how awful the other is... in other words, talking about absolutely nothing of substance.

Am I correct?

If the someone Left wants to assume all Righties are wingnuts because of Ann Couler, or if Righties want to assume all Lefties are wingnuts because of KOS, that's fine. If you want to do it, that's fine, too. Just don't pretend you're the adults in the room, because that ain't thinking in any sort of meaningful way. That's circle-jerk stuff. And don't be shocked when someone like me looks you dead in the eye and tells you you're a fool.

Go back and look at some of my earlier stuff here and you'll see what I'm talking about. I was into that sort of shit just as much as anyone. That's not the point, though...

The point is that only thing that matters are THE ISSUES, all else is noise, smoke and mirrors.

I know a lot of the Lefty Legions must love that post, but it impresses me to about the same extent Glenn Reynolds’ did. That is, I’m not impressed all all. Why? Try this:

"Why would Professor Reynolds participate in an event that sponsors a speech urging violence against Muslims and the domestic political opponents of Republicans?"
Evidently violence against Muslims isn’t enough... Glenn wants Glenn to include “the domestic political opponents of Republicans” in his denunciation, too. Call me cynical, but I'd guess that’s because they are what really interests Glenn Greenwald. Muslims provide a pretext. But hey, I can understand where Greenwald is coming from: What good is having victims if you can’t be one, right?

So, in your view, advocating violence against "the domestic opponents of Republicans" is perfectly OK?

CA-

Please don't test my patience by playing Fool.

It's pretty clear that I was noting that Mr. Greenwald couldn't stick to his original point, which was about Coulter's 'raghead' remarks. Within the context of his posts at C&L, his site and his comments at his site, that he decided he couldn't just leave it at Muslims simply reinforced the impression that Muslims weren't his primary concern in the first place.

If you think that's wrong, say so, say why and do it intelligently.

The democrat convention will now come to order.
YEEEEEHHAAAAHHHH ! Wake up person on the left, the democrats are a fungus growing on your dogma. They stain your movement like a soiled blue dress, or a body in the river, or a suicide in the park, or a plane crash in the woods, or a gay in the top security post. They are as honest as Christmas in Cambodia or a last minute replacement candidate. Vote for corruption, vote for democrats. The joke's on you.

wx-

Less caffiene.

The reason Coulter gets top billing at CPAC is because it's really just a NutPAC flea market. Most people there are peddling their own version of outrage for a piece of the pie. And as Guesst points out above, it's the radical pro-life agenda that ties most of them together. The problem you see with blogs are just a microcosm of the problem. Radio pundits like Vannity and Limbaugh are leading the way.

DtP, you may find this interesting.

I liked the Greenwald post, but your post made me do some serious thinking. (See, Andrew Sullivan isn't the only one who gets his liberal readers to do some serious thinking!) The only thing I would say in its defense is that I didn't get the impression it was supposed to be about Muslims at all -- it was just riffing off Coulter's sound bite. But if you don't go in for all that you're-a-hypocrite-no-you're-a-hypocrite stuff, it's true that it's not too pretty.

Mr. Peasant,

When I enrolled in Abilene Christian College in 1961, I was a smoke-breathing, fire-eating conservative, a right-wing Republican, and a card-carrying member of the John Birch Society. In 1964, I was president of the Young Republicans at ACC, and I proudly displayed a Goldwater for President sticker not on the bumper, but on the rear-end of my Volkswagen Beetle. In other words, I was something like you might have been forty years ago.

Then something started to happen. I began to notice that my right-wing conservative colleagues were outspoken segregationists and racists, claiming, for instance, that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., was a communist agitator. That troubled me, because I had always been taught by my mother not to discriminate against anyone because of his race or skin color. And then I discovered that what some of my ideological allies were whispering excitedly about as the "truth" was nothing more than plain-brown-wrapper, under-the-counter, old-and-moldy Nazi propaganda. Literally. This was scary stuff.

If you doubt what I'm telling you, I could tell you even more you can doubt: like the "cell" meetings I had with my JBS compatriots in Abilene, Texas; or like the National Indignation Convention held in Dallas in October 1961; or like my meeting with former FBI agent, Dan Smoot; or like my meeting with General Edwin A. Walker at his home on Turtle Creek (later shot up by Lee Harvey Oswald). I could go on, but I now know right-wing, Christian-fundamentalist, conservative-Republicans when I see them.

Maybe you're beginning to see them, too.

Lou wrote: As long as Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd roam the US Senate chambers, as long as Kos is considered a wise purveyor of political wisdom, as long Al Gore sucks up to terrorist sympathizers, the center and the right will have a hard time not categorizing all of the left as a group of hypocritical assholes.

The left is satisfied with such representation, and apparently does not mind being thought of (forever) as hypocritical arses who pay homage to old rich white guys.

Markos is pandering to a bunch of twenty-something illiterates who barely have jobs, so it is not that hard to be a purveyor of wisdom. People pay good money for it.

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