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Thanks for writing that up.

My aquaintances and I are still a little fuzzy on how Madoff got away with what he got away with for so long.

Although it doesn't answer the question why. It's not like Madoff really needed the money, was it?

Please define what "free of material misstatement", and "present an accurate representation ("true and fair view") of financial position and operating results" means if it doesn't mean "yeah we went over the books and crosschecked his trades against what went on in the markets on those dates and he really is legitimately making that kind of money for his clients using brilliant trading methods. If Murphy is right about Markopolos Madoff's methods were no secret, he tried the same system and discovered "there were insufficient options in existence to support the amount of hedging Madoff claimed he was doing." Finding that out sounds to me like the definition of due diligence.

Seems to me if I have substantial amount of money to invest with a dealer I ought to have the right to have professionals audit his past trades to see if he indeed did what he said he did. And where would I expect to find those professional auditors? At the biggest US accounting firms? I guess not.

The SEC? Bush's SEC, the regulatory agency Phil Gramm emasculated before he left the senate and cashed in with UBS? Sadly not them either.

A real red flag might have been that Madoff's own sons who worked for him, who eventually turned him in, didn't let daddy manage their money. These geniuses gave their business to Lehman Bros.



Mark-

Why did I just know you couldn't go 100 words without blaming Bush for this? Doesn't blaming Bush for everything get a bit dull after a while?

You are right about one thing, though: An analysis of Madoff's trading system, such as the one done by Markopolos, might have alerted the managements of the feeder funds that there was something amiss. But the point is that Murphy is claiming it was the responsibility of the audit firms to perform due diligence, rather than the managements of the feeder firms, which is clearly incorrect.

And once again I'll point this out: Madoff's auditor was the only audit firm in the position to discover this fraud via auditing. That's because Madoff's auditor was the only audit firm with a legal right to examine Madoff's books of account. What seems to be emerging about Friehling & Horowitz is that (a) they weren't qualified to audit, and (b) David Friehling lied to the AICPA about his firm's professional activities. My guess is what we will find is that David Friehling was an active participant in the fraud.

Seems to me if I have substantial amount of money to invest with a dealer I ought to have the right to have professionals audit his past trades to see if he indeed did what he said he did. And where would I expect to find those professional auditors? At the biggest US accounting firms? I guess not.

Well, as a matter of fact, as an investor you don't have the right to have professionals examine the books of a dealer or fund manager. The legal concept behind that is privity of contract, and it was in place prior to the Bush Years, so you can't blame him for that. Sorry to ruin your day.


Legitimate funds and fund managers are required to make statistics regarding fund and manager performance public, and those figures are audited by the auditors hired by the funds. Madoff forged the statistics and made them public. Had Friehling & Horowitz actually audited Madoff's books of account, the fraud would have most likely been discovered rather quickly. What is clear to me, as a professional, is the David Friehling never bothered to actually do the audit he was contracted to do... although whether it was incompetence or criminality has yet to be established.

Doesn't blaming Bush for everything get a bit dull after a while?

LOL, hell you guys are still blaming Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton for half the troubles in the world. George Bush isn't even out of office yet, there are eggs of his that haven't even hatched let one grown into chickens that come home to roost. So can we all please just forget about him? Um no. We're not going to sweep any of the last 40 or so years under the rug. Nixon was a crook. Reagan sought to dismantle as much of the US government as he could. George Bush just about completed the job with the kicker of letting various friends bilk the US government for billions in his privatization schemes.

But regarding this specific debacle, Affaire d'Madoff, the blame will probably fall on Chris Cox at SEC. He deserves it but in the end he's just a pawn. None of the ideologues who thought it was a good idea to let Wall St. police itself would have promoted him for the job in the first place if they thought he'd make the SEC a functioning regulatory agency. And he didn't let them down.

markg8: Markopolos went to the SEC in 1999. It's amazing how Bush was able to keep the SEC from being a functioning regulatory agency even before he was elected.

This sounds like a rerun of the Frank Gruttadauria scam, except it went on longer and the sums involved had a couple more zeros at the end. Well to do investors boasting of the returns their broker was making. No one looking too close at the numbers. My favorite part was that Lehman Brothers sent all the client statements to a single PO box, from which Gruttadauria would retrieve them, discard them, and write his own to send to the clients. Due diligence on their part.

ZT-

Remember, George Bush is everywhere...

Q: What board game does Mark play every day?

A: The Six Degrees of George W. Bush.

Sadly according to my Aunt L'nore I am distantly related to the Bushes. That'll happen when some of your forebears came over on the Mayflower. I can not be held accountable for the peccadillos of my ancestors.

And Dennis it's not just Bush, it's the silly conservative notion that became the movement's raison d'ĂȘtre best expressed by Grover Norquist: "I'm not in favor of abolishing the government. I just want to shrink it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."

There's no way in the world we can run a 21st century post industrial nation with just 18th century laws, rules and regulations. It should surprise no one when the SEC's budget was slashed, it's regulatory power hamstrung and idealogues who don't believe in enforcement were put in charge it didn't do it's job.

There's a lot of people who should have known better who went along with the gutting of laws, firewalls, and regulatory agencies on Wall St, Rubin for one, but dismantling as much of the federal government's regulatory function as possible has been one of the single biggest objectives of the conservative movement for decades. Let's not pretend any of this had to happen and let's not fool ourselves about why it did. We tried that great conservative experiment with government and it's been an utter failure. It would have made no difference if John McCain had won the WH in 2000 instead of George Bush.


"There's no way in the world we can run a 21st century post industrial nation with just 18th century laws, rules and regulations"

Sure...let's get rid of the outdated concept that free speech allows the rest of us to criticize our moral and intellectual superiors like Obama.

Let's ditch the idea that the individual should set his own economic course and reap the rewards of hard work. I think the government SHOULD have an agency devoted to wiping my bottom for me.

It is sad that the 18th century concept, that the Constitution should be able to limit what government can do, is still adhered to in this country, isn't it?

But I am full of Hopey Change and Changey Hope that our new administration will fix all these mean old 18th century laws. That way we won't have to move to Europe with it's surging, morally correct economy, and it's racially harmonic car burning riots. We can get all those things here. YEEEAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

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