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And here we see the difference between a CPA, a trained and certified professional, and a journalist that potentially isn't trained in what he is reporting on. I have taken the CPA exam(2 1/2 days of fun) and it ain't easy, but Joe the Plumber can be a journalist. I can't, however, figure out the Richard Murphy excuse for sloppiness.

It's worth noting that in Ohio you have to have five years' field experience, no felony convictions and pass a two part test to become a plumber. To become a journalist you need only be hired as such.

I am new to this board, but both dividends and stock repurchases can be financed out of current or retained earnings. To judge where the funds came from, you need to know the retained earnings at the beginning of the period. I believe corporate law will not allow you to create a negative equity position through either dividends or repurchases.

The problem here is going to be whether the assets were knowingly overstated such that the retained earnings on the balance sheet were overstated.

Like the workthroughs Dennis. No coincidence that zealots and fools like Murphy never use them, and only rely on bombast.

Isn't it the case that the company in your example has replaced an expensive source of capital (the shares) with a a cheaper form of capital (the loan). On that basis it makes sense.

But enough of economics, how about a return to Pandaland ?

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