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Ya should have voted for the guy Dennis. He's an accountant's dream. Here's what I wrote about the $3000
tax credit for jobs created or retained early at TPM:

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it did it actually make a noise?

Well if a $3000 tax cut to an employer to hire or retain an employee doesn't immediately inspire a lot of hiring so what? A tax cut that isn't used doesn't cost the government anything. But once hiring does pick up it'll make the job recovery that much faster.

Remember Bush's jobless recovery of 2002-2005? Want a repeat of that? I don't. So why wouldn't a Democratic president want to promote hiring? We have an $11 trillion dollar debt as it is. We can't afford half a decade of double digit unemployment. Maybe this isn't the best way to do it. But if not then let's hear some better ideas.

I really appreciate your very simple (they have to be if I can follow them) descriptions of how these proposed tax cuts work.

You're so correct in that if only the mainstream media would break stuff down like this for their readership, they would actually contribute to informed debate about issues that directly affect us. But who are we kidding? That would involve actual work on their part.

Back in the day, when I had my own small electrical contracting business, I did all of my own taxes and payroll. It was successful and when I got out, it funded our house and my return to school to get my EE degree. These days I have seen the light and my wife now does all of our taxes.

Except your 50k is way above average for non-farm, non-supervisory workers. Median household income may be over 50k, but remember that includes a lot of two-worker families. If you look at this chart http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t16.htm, it can be seen that your average wage slave makes about 35k per year. So if we say that when the incentive gets to be greater than 10% of the costs, that it makes a difference (say an average compensation rate of about 20k since you have to load it some) then you are looking at a universe of about 25-30% of the non-far, non-supervisory jobs out there. If the stimulus can give you a boost of 1 out of 6 in that universe then you have a goose of 4% to this category of job which would decrease the unemployment rate by about 2% without any multiplier effect whatsoever. Assume a multiplier here of 2 (I'm using a low multiplier since these are not great jobs) and you have got a 4% difference in unemployment. A lot of ifs there, but I think a more realistic analysis than a look at one possible position at Peasant Accounting Corporation. Lots of retail jobs pay around 20k or auto mechanics or home health aides or childcare workers so they may not be jobs as good as working for the Peasant, but they are better than nothing.

If I had used $35,000, the multiplication would have been a lot harder.

As someone who has been involved in a lot of hired decisions over the years (as supervisor, owner, or consulting CPA), I don't just don't think a credit of the magnitude we are discussing (10+%) will make a difference.

I have a fair number of clients who hire in the range of $20,000 to $35,000 (landscapers, roofers, construction) and a $3,000 credit just wouldn't move them. Make it a credit of $10,000, and they'd be interested, but $3,000? Nope.

I don't think any stimulus except direct government hiring or contracts to firms doing business with government is going to do much to create jobs right now. The entire world's economy is shrinking so any size jobs tax credit is at odds with the realities of falling demand.

But once we start rising out of the recession/depression (whatever it is) such a credit can help increase hiring a bit faster. Like a lot of things floating around in the stimulus proposal this provision might not make it into this year's final bill. But at least Obama is laying down a marker showing he's open to such ideas. And if that helps keep Republicans engaged instead of in open revolt that's a good thing.

These kind of proposals may not draw votes from John Boehner and Mitch McConnell but it might bring over the likes of Voinovich and the dimwitted real estate salesman from Columbus who represents you Dennis.

Well, he's batting 1.000 now because he punted on the jobs tax credit.

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