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I spent last evening at a township meeting in a drab government building built with the last of the federal revenue sharing funds before Reagan put a stop to them in '83 that was worthy of Chrissy Hinds "My City Was Gone". At least a thousand watts of bright bleak florescents in the drop ceiling and decor worthy of a Pep Boy's waiting room sans the old car mags.

Afterward I had the displeasure of listening to a flabulously huge Republican with a wheeze that sounded like Darth Vader, I swear the guy has to be this far from congestive heart failure, complain about the WhiteHouse.gov website having something on it about restoring transparency and decency to government. His feelings were hurt, he took this as a swipe at Bush and a broken promise about bipartisanship by Obama. I told him let's not forget Bush's constant refrain from 2000 about restoring dignity and honor to the WH. When I informed him that he's likely to be hurt a lot more if and when several high ranking Bushies wind up in prison he winced.

He didn't want to talk about torture so he decided to change the subject to the economy. The Community Reinvestment Act caused the financial crisis according to him. When I explained that even Federal Reserve bankers say that's not true his comeback was he "has sources too". Now I have a cold, or the flu or whatever the hell it is that's been going around. I'm on the verge of laryngitis. While I'm usually more than willing to engage in political argument or even polite discourse (if I have to) til the cows come home last night I knew I only had so many words in me before my voice gave out. So my response was "I have federal reserve bankers as my sources, you have Sean Hannity".

That pretty much shut him up. But as for Obama's attempts to get all of us to love and respect each other? Fuck no, that guy's still not coming over to my side of the garbage dump where we'll be hoarding all the good scraps. He'd eat up all our reserves.


Gotta be the last quote Dennis. Sounds like Amanda just read 'On the Road'. In her mind's eye she is sitting on the floor of a cold water brownstone in Tribeca with a beret on her head and lighting provided from a candle shoved up her ass listening to Bird Parker and chanting 'Blow baby blow', 'Go man go' with Allen Ginsberg.

By the way what is a 'sworn square' ? Where can I take the oath ?

Mark - surely you've been around long enough to know that recounting self - serving reruns of conversations just doesn't cut it.

Like allusions to beatniks does?

Mark - go for a walk, there is plenty of fresh air for everyone.

I vote for sentence 2 - I don't think I have ever seen big booty Beyonce and Ben Stein in the same ballpark, never mind the same sentence. But hey, leave it to Amanduh...

Everybody-

Play nice. Remember, we're all supposed to be feeling the love. Right?

I believe that it was Capote who once said this of 'On The Road':

"That's not writing. That's typing."

Based on what little I could make myself read of it, I'd have to agree.

My favourite quote on Kerouac is this one from William S Burroughs -
"[H]e didn’t change that much . . . first there was a young guy sitting in front of the television in a tee shirt drinking beer with his mother, then there was an older, fatter person sitting in front of the television drinking beer with his mother." (Gee that quote was hard to track down )

Kerouac became a bit of a square in his old age.

Mark - the beatnik stuff was just a comment Amanda's hackneyed, cliched Maynard G Krebs view of 'artists'.

Does Amanduh even know any artists? Did she ever read any biographies of the impressionist painters? Envious of professional athletes, maybe. Artists, nah. The Irony Proof Projection wins hands down.

Amanda is a member of the most dangerous species on earth the "moron". Though you be armed with reason, argument, and facts they will be of no avail when they attack. Here on the parched academic plains of
Austin they roam in vast herds ready to charge any percieved threat.

It has to be #7 for two reasons. First, I didn't know that anyone considered atheists not to be "full" citizens. Second, atheism has large policy implications? Splutter, guffaw...

Can you name any self professed atheists who have run for let alone won federal office in this country? I can't.

I have a great uncle who was quite a famous artist in SF at the turn of the last century. He was the son of a judge who indulged him for years until he made a name and a living for himself.

"sitting on the floor with lighting provided by a candle shoved in a wine bottle must have pangs of envy imagining the bohemian lifestyle after a day of work under fluorescent lights"

Ah, but the bohemian is contributing to global warming, while the square is virtuously using fluorescents!

"The tension between squares and bohemians has been a popular theme for more than a century now, and shows no signs of dying. And it’s a tension that makes the sworn squares feel like, well, squares, and thus like dishing out the hate."

I live in Minneapolis. I count more than a few "bohemians" among my social circle. And if you want to see people dishing out the hate, man, just spend some time around artists.

markgeeate is making less sense than usual.

I like #4, myself.

Feel the love Eric. Feel the love.

According to Wikipedia about 15% of people in the US don't believe in God, a significant minority. I still haven't found one candidate for federal office who was an acknowledged atheist, though I have to admit I didn't look very hard. Jerry Brown? Nah, he studied to be a Jesuit priest. Maybe Ralph Nader?

How serious is the discrimination? Liddy Dole ran an ad against Kay Hagan in NC claiming she got money from the Godless Americans PAC with a female voice meant I guess to sound like Hagan saying, "There is no God." It apparently backfired bigtime in large part because Hagan is a former Presbyterian Church Sunday school teacher and hit back hard with a defamation suit among other things.

Message here.

Dude, who cares?

My favorite rant has to be "artists are awesome, and you are not," because Amanda is no artist.

Well, unless you count "bullshit artist."

Another message here from crazy Pammy at Atlas Jugs.

And to completely confuse the issue there's this

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