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Endless entertainment.

Yeah I already saw that episode of 24 Dennis.

And your memory is faulty. Maybe wingnuts think North is a hero, the rest of us know he secretly traded arms for hostages to the Iranians and broke the law. He's scum. I remember Senator Daniel Inouye a real fucking war hero and Medal of Honor recipient shooting down in flames North's contention that congress leaked vital nat'l security information. He did it by forcing North to admit he had no evidence for that after which Inouye read a long list of Reagan White House nat'l security leaks. Indeed, North himself leaked information. Inouye’s co-chair, Warren Rudman (R-NH) later said: “The greatest leaks came out of the White House. North and company were the biggest leakers of all during that period."

As for the CIA agents I imagine they'll do a fine job of pointing fingers up, down and sideways (Blackwater) the chain of command. This ought to be interesting seeing as we no longer have a DOJ trying desperately to cover up the boss. BTW has Fredo found work yet?

Have you been drinking?

Well said, Dennis. Just about everything coming out of the White House stinks of cowardice, thuggery, or both. This latest stunt of his, though, reeks to hell and back.

Time to stock up on the popcorn.

Spinelessness? It's teh stupidity. Spinelessness only goes so far as an explanation.

Did any of those interrogated survive? If so, why? In fact, why are we taking prisoners?

9/11? You mean the "national day of service?"

Mark

Normal people are sensible and pragmatic, it's the main way that they differ from politicians. When they look at something like Abu Ghraib or Gitmo they get agitated about the confusion and incompetence they see. It was pretty obvious even from my far away vantage point that Bush had no clear plan about what to do with the Gitmo prisoners, and all of the court cases highlighted this to normal people.

Normal people were equivocal about Olly North because he sold guns to Iranians - ie the enemy.

So what incompetence is this enquiry going to bring to light ? Because if all it shows is professionals waterboarding dodgy foreigners then I don't think normal people are going to have a problem with that.

If even a beacon of high moral purpose like you thinks renditions are okay then why should Joe Six Pack be worried about this ?

Ollie North is a True American Hero. Iran-Contra was downright brilliant. Sell obsolete weapons to potentially moderate Iranians, who may be able to help get hostages freed. Establish contacts with said 'moderates', who may end up as larger players in Iranian politics down the road. Use the proceeds to defeat Communists in the Western Hemisphere. It's the ultimate Win-Win-Win scenario. I only wish I'd thought of it.

Maybe the terrorists who were fake-tortured, can sue the CIA for scaring them into giving up vital information about their future plans to kill people.

They're going to need something to live on when they all move to the midwest to lead normal terrorist lives.

Is Eric Holder's law firm available to take on more terrorists as clients?

It looks as if Holder will be inspecting the suspension of the bus sometime soon.

1. Most of the decisions are probably being made by Ivy League credentialed SES'ers in the West Wing, at justice, DHS, etc.
2. They are full of themselves, very much like Clinton's crowd was back in '93.
3. See President Obama less as spineless, more clueless.
4. He's mouthing policy that is conflicting for a variety reasons: sources, pressure, mind changing among female staff, etc.
5. Think a lot of his staffers suffer from the Kael syndrome. More than that, they are condescending and arrogant.
6. Move over, 535 members of the legislature.
7. Can't wait to see what happens next.
V/R JWest

I like this Kael syndrome thingy. Though it seems to be you guys who are suffering from it. One of the biggest reasons Obama and Dem popularity has sagged is because many on our side are impatient and get easily disillusioned. Prosecuting torturers and passing the health care bill will do a lot to remedy that. You guys will still be shouting "I want my country back" but eventually your numbers will dwindle when the saner, less partisan of you realize the benefits of health care reform and the nation is repulsed at the crimes Bush and Cheney committed in our name. But for those of you who aren't I'd be happy to carve a big "R" in your forehead if you like.

Keep dreaming, Mark. Obumbles is losing the vaunted "moderate swing voters", not the wacko base. Those idiots are still out they're flailing away and trying to defend this snowballing disaster. Know waht I mean? Of course you do. But keep pinwheeling - it's a great alternative energy source.

You just keep thinking that Tim and you'll be saying “How can he have won? Nobody I know voted for him” again.

Mark, I know plenty of people who voted for him. But then again, I work with a few idiot liberals (BIRM). I also know some people who have said, "why did I vote for him?". But then again, I also work with some of the prized "centrist" voters.

So Tim just for shits and giggles who do you like for the Republican nomination in 2012?

" So Tim just for shits and giggles who do you like for the Republican nomination in 2012? "

If Palin's the nom, I'm writing in Dennis.

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