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I have been eligible to be an AARP member for the last few years, and have been repeatedly invited to join. I refuse to do so, however, because of the Democratic Party leftist leaning of the organization. Until AARP becomes far, far more conservative, they need not look for money or any other kind of support from me. I do not want them to merely espouse conservative policies; I want them to be run by Libertarians and Republicans. This is what I want from news organizations and universities, too.

So let me get this right: Seniors are mad that the feds want to cut Medicare costs, and they are joining a CONSERVATIVE alternative? Excuse me, but conservatives oppose public health plans! These people sound very selfish to me: Public plan for me, but not for you....How unprincipled.

Also, reports of an AARP backlash are exaggerated and deceptive: http://dissentingjustice.blogspot.com/2009/08/cbs-news-continues-misleading-reporting.html

The senior demographic is the only one McCain won. Obama didn't do so well with gays either. So there's your winning coalition for 2012 boys. Gays and seniors.

Overall this is a pretty stupid argument this country is having right now. Republicans attack the health care plan as "socialism" and "government takeover" when in fact it'll open up the rigged monopoly health insurance system and make it a real free market (like say car insurance) and rein in provider costs by paying for what works instead of what is just most expensive.

In response what do we on the left do? Defend Canadian government run health insurance and UK socialist government run hospital systems which are nothing like the plans that have been proposed that actually have a chance of passing.


Yep Tony the game plan is to scare seniors who love their single payer, government run, taxpayer funded health care plan proposed and passed by a Democratic president and a Democratically controlled congress into believing that another Democratic president is out to destroy Medicare for the benefit of their kids and grand kids. It's a brilliant plan that should hold up at least as well the Republican plan to dismantle Social Security.

Tony-

It's called enlightened self-interest. It's what representative democracy is all about.

Mark-

Dissing LGBTs? Very progressive.

Actually, what Obama does is yell "Run away!!!" and head for cover.

"it'll open up the rigged monopoly health insurance system and make it a real free market (like say car insurance)"

O RLY?

You could not have picked a worse example. Car insurance is most assuredly NOT a free market. In most states it's required by law and heavily regulated by the state government.

Can you name one market in this country that is "free" in the relevant sense -- by which I mean, legal, and not obstructed by government economic intervention and regulation?

With seniors it's anything but enlightened self-interest Dennis. Enlightened does not = misled by lies.

Now insurance companies that's another story, they see a very real threat to their rigged monopoly system.

Who's dissing gays Dennis? Just pointing out Obama didn't do as well among them as Kerry. And let's see what Democrats do for them over the next 3 years and compare it to what Republicans have done over the last years shall we?

Oh, I see. Seniors are stupid.

Which lies? The PhRMA/White House lies or the Insurance Industry/Tom Daschle lies?

You actually joined AARP ? How many pounds of weed did you smoke before that seemed like a good idea ?

Oh, and you ought to fumigate this place - I see cockroaches.

Dennis.

Sssssh.

No. They. Don't.

Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake...

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