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That's fairly surprising about Jane getting it so quickly. She feels betrayed, and I don't blame her.

But I hadn't looked at the Obama Administration as being a fashion show, with Van Jones as one of the models (if you'll pardon my stretching the analogy). Which is what you're leading to, I think.

An interesting thought indeed......

Jeff writes:That's fairly surprising about Jane getting it so quickly.

Jane, among others, has been "getting it" for some time now. This is not new. Perhaps only the first time you have heard of it. She and others are working on a project to politically kill either Dem or GOP lunatics/wimps, and have been since before the general election.

Mona - I think your comment is a reason why backhanded compliments are not often made in the blogosphere. Jane is a turd. The fact that she thinks Obama is a sellout for throwing a stupid, racist, truther under the bus is not a commendation.

I wish her luck with her 'project'.

She'd have to start with the tards at her own site

"corporate fascism"

"Democrats; they keep on holding themselves to higher etiquette and ethical standards than do the Republicans"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Give it a few months. Jones might well reappear as a pundit on the circuit.

All it takes is a few news cycles and an introduction worded along the lines "... was a cabinet official in the administration until unsubstantiated allegations of past political activity forced his resignation..."

The target audience for TV won't even blink. Why should they? A fraternity that hires a Stephanopolous as a journalist has no shame.

They don't have to be clear, just look good, or something like that.

Tmj, Peter, Dennis. Even ol' me. It's like the frickin' Totten comments section of '04 in here. Where's Samuel?

Jane, among others, has been "getting it" for some time now.

Jane gets "it", but for her own reasons, and not necessarily ones that I agree with; Simon makes a good point.

And the old saw "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" does not apply here. We simply share a common problem. Obama is getting criticism from all sides, and is discovering why being a "centrist" is easier said than done.

Egad, Jim. I haven't heard from Samuel in years.

Reminds me - I need to buy some airplane food for Mr. Totten if next week's check arrives.

And I'll always buy the sausage and gravy if I ever return to Westerville, Mr. Peasant.

Briefly and broadly back on topic:

Hamsher is offended that The Won isn't fulfilling her fantasies of Leftist Utopic policies. That's a convenient way for her to avoid, in her position as a widely followed web nutrooter, from being the one to point out that Mr. Obama is positioning himself to destroy the establishment... just not in the way the nutroots thought he would.

Or maybe I give her too much credit.

I still think that Mr. Obama's crack to the auto and finance kulaks about "pitch forks" has a better than even chance of coming back to haunt him and his supporters of record...

I wish her luck with her 'project'.

It isn't just hers; I'm a member as well. Those running it are both liberals and libertarians who otherwise find much to disagree about. But we want, as out name says, "Accountability Now."

I'm old enough to remember when Leonard Bernstein used to invite the Black Panthers to his posh sworries in Manhattan and basically hand them out as party favors to the rich white guests because they were so earthy and exciting.

"Those running it are both liberals and libertarians who otherwise find much to disagree about." -- Oh, Lordy, the libertarians are falling for this shit AGAIN? Is there anything they won't do for a promise of legalized pot?

Oh, Lordy, the libertarians are falling for this shit AGAIN? Is there anything they won't do for a promise of legalized pot?

Richard, I am so very sick of that accusation. The libertarians on board with AN (myself included) are civil libertarians who believe in habeas corpus, the right to counsel, the 4th Am, and that the Rule of Law applies even to the Executive.

The libertarians tapped for AN are those who generated the Ron Paul "money bombs." I've interviewed them. They care a great deal about a plethora of issues, and certainly not merely about weed, fer god's sake.

civil libertarians who believe in habeas corpus, the right to counsel, the 4th Am, and that the Rule of Law applies even to the Executive

In other words, almost all Americans. How about limited government, enumerated powers and 10th Amendment? That's where the list gets short.

Richard,
In this playbook,don't the "liberals" imprison and kill the libertarians?

More about Accountability Now. Rick Williams is only barely mentioned in this article, but he is one very savvy (libertarian) lawyer and strategist.

And Jim Ryan, I assure you Williams, I, and Greenwald are concerned about "limited government, enumerated powers and 10th Amendment."

PeterUK -- Shh! She's on a roll.

But Mona, sorry, after watching the way the Paulies tried to hijack the LA County Republican Party this summer, I beg to be forgiven if the only common ground I see between liberals and libertarians is a shared dislike for honest dealing.

I beg to be forgiven if the only common ground I see between liberals and libertarians is a shared dislike for honest dealing.

Got it, Richard. Everyone who is not of your political stripe is opposed to "honest dealing." (And I didn't vote for Ron Paul, btw.)

In any event, I trust that some reading about Accountability Now (and teh google will find much more), does generate someunderstanding that those libertarians among us are not interested in merely drug policy reform -- tho we certainly are about that, too. As my non-libertarian, Reagan Democrat Crim Law professor taught us in law school, there are three issues that will cause an appellate court to rule any warrantless search (or other violation of the 4th Am) reasonable, and those are:

1. Drugs;
2. Drugs; and
3. Drugs.

He was right then, and it is even more true now.

"PeterUK -- Shh! She's on a roll". What's she rolling?

What's [Mona] rolling?

Sushi.

But apparently for some here I must be doing dope. Cuz I disagree with you some. Very adult, that.

Mona,You are the one who brought up drugs,the Thread is about Van Jones,former Green Czar in the Obama administration.
You are the one who is hijacking the thread.
And watch the sushi,look what it does to Sumo wrestlers.

Mona,You are the one who brought up drugs,

Oh really? Please see Richard Mcenroe at 12:41, who accused we libertarians in the Accountability Now org of just wanting to smoke pot. And the the comment later asking "what [Mona] is rolling?"

You, sir, are wrong. I did not initiate the discussion of drugs.

No Mona,OK,but,Richard,said this,"Oh, Lordy, the libertarians are falling for this shit AGAIN? Is there anything they won't do for a promise of legalized pot?".

Not the same as"Please see Richard Mcenroe at 12:41, who accused we libertarians in the Accountability Now org of just wanting to smoke pot."

That is being flexible with the actualite!

He could quite easily have meant,and quite possibly did, they were just be being "libertarian" about it.

You Madam are, however the one who decided to make it an issue.

BTW,You are terribly dirigiste for a libertarian.

You Madam are, however the one who decided to make it an issue.

I see. I respond to an attack on those of my ideological persuasion that has been leveled at me and my like-minded brethren for decades by both left and right, and yet *I* and the one "who decided to make it an issue." (Your goal-post moving is cute -- at least you are no longer claiming I introduced the topic.)

Mona," I respond to an attack on those of my ideological persuasion that has been leveled at me and my like-minded brethren for decades by both left and right, and yet *I* and the one "who decided to make it an issue."

Yep,
"In any event, I trust that some reading about Accountability Now (and teh google will find much more), does generate someunderstanding that those libertarians among us are not interested in merely drug policy reform -- tho we certainly are about that, too. As my non-libertarian, Reagan Democrat Crim Law professor taught us in law school, there are three issues that will cause an appellate court to rule any warrantless search (or other violation of the 4th Am) reasonable, and those are:

1. Drugs;
2. Drugs; and
3. Drugs.

He was right then, and it is even more true now."

That is making an issue of it.

No person that seriously considered themself to be a libertarian would have anything to do with the liberals, who are all statists.

Politics may make strange bedfellows, but only a retard would ignore the leftist/communist/socialist history of creating front organizations and then sandbagging their "useful idiot" "allies".

And anyone who believes the pinkos THIS time is going to have to show me some specific examples of the Democratic initiatives on individual rights:
Are there any sanctuary cities for weed?
Any municipalities where I can opt out of mandatory insurance?

No, anytime they start yapping about "civil liberties", it's always a ruse to defend a murderer or a terrorist.

That is making an issue of it.

Or, also known as, defending myself against a common, sophomoric attack on libertarians about drugs such as made in this thread. There is a reason we talk/write so much about drugs, and not the one introduced by Mr. Mcenroe.

No, anytime they [liberals] start yapping about "civil liberties", it's always a ruse to defend a murderer or a terrorist.

Uh-huh. Which is why they were preponderantly right about Jim Crow before the right caught on. As for defending murderers or terrorist suspects, that well-known Communist, H. L. Mencken, put it this way:

The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.

"Or, also known as, defending myself against a common, sophomoric attack on libertarians about drugs such as made in this thread."


Otherwise known as "being too precious for words".

Sadly Mona,you will find the world doesn't take you a seriously as you do yourself.

just passin by.
The Socialists will eat the libertarians for breakfast. Unless the terrorists don't get them first.

"Uh-huh. Which is why they were preponderantly right about Jim Crow before the right caught on"

Christ...another Mark/Elliot...

Was it the Republicans or the Democrats that supported Jim Crow in the South? also which Republican named Byrd was a Grand Keagle (or whatever the Klan idiots called their leaders)?

And thanks for ignoring the point about the pinkos taking libertarians for a ride.

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